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Azure Jane Lunatic (Azz) 🌺 ([personal profile] azurelunatic) wrote2010-04-07 03:22 am
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Audience participation: rate the sexism!

(repost due to failure of link the first time out)

So, which of the following linked quotes are the most offensively sexist and simultaneously evocative of the general state of the worst parts of greater geek culture, and particularly the Free/Libre Open Source Software bits?


Poll #2656 Which of the following offensively sexist quotes is the worst?
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 37


Don't vote for all of them, please, even if they're all the worst.

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1829
3 (8.1%)

916
18 (48.6%)

4068
6 (16.2%)

21841
18 (48.6%)

7235
0 (0.0%)

16913
3 (8.1%)

18274
5 (13.5%)

177
0 (0.0%)

59520
22 (59.5%)

43336
0 (0.0%)

33217
25 (67.6%)

32991
5 (13.5%)

26314
20 (54.1%)

53875
0 (0.0%)

64238
18 (48.6%)

94997
4 (10.8%)

53339
18 (48.6%)

301013
20 (54.1%)

234785
9 (24.3%)

296734
10 (27.0%)

878
5 (13.5%)

294689
20 (54.1%)

57019
19 (51.4%)




If you have a worse one, go ahead and leave it in the comments. It needn't necessarily be from qdb.us, but it should be from some major qdb.

(LJ readers, this poll is part of my preparations for a meta-essay about Dreamwidth development culture. Participate if you feel like it.)
jeshyr: Blessed are the broken. Harry Potter. (Default)

[personal profile] jeshyr 2010-04-07 11:11 am (UTC)(link)
Cripes, that was nauseatingly horrific. The only good bit about looking at all the QDB stuff was I got to vote them all down while I was reading them :) Aside from it being helpful to you, I mean.

Also it seems that it's the ones that joke about sexually-related violence that get me the most.

And I'm pretty jaded to this crap, having spent a damm long time on technical IRC channels - since 1994 or so. It does get so very wearing though in most channels, to be treated as an equal you have to... well I don't exactly pretend not to be female but I don't mention any gender-relevant stuff and I don't have a nickname that anybody could identify as remotely female and I don't (generally) object to crap like these quotes. I just shut up until they've stopped talking filth and then ask tech questions then. I end up wasting a lot of energy just not responding to the sexist/homophobic/racist/etc crap, so then I have less energy to be technical.

UGH.

UGHHhmhhhhh

r
sporky_rat: Marc Antony. Text: Gods grant me the strength not to murder them all and eat their livers. (EAT THEIR LIVERS OMG!!!1111)

i'm using this icon a lot, it seems, for things like this

[personal profile] sporky_rat 2010-04-07 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
Also it seems that it's the ones that joke about sexually-related violence that get me the most.

I noticed myself hitting the button on those, too. The just generally sexist didn't quite get to me the same way as the ones that involved violence did.
jeshyr: Blessed are the broken. Harry Potter. (Default)

Re: i'm using this icon a lot, it seems, for things like this

[personal profile] jeshyr 2010-04-07 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
Amazing how much stuff we learn to let bounce off, isn't it?

Where's your icon from? At first I thought it was Spock from new Trek movie but it's not...

r
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Re: i'm using this icon a lot, it seems, for things like this

[personal profile] sporky_rat 2010-04-07 11:55 am (UTC)(link)
It's Marc Antony from Rome.
aedifica: Silhouette of a girl sitting at a computer (Girl at computer)

Re: i'm using this icon a lot, it seems, for things like this

[personal profile] aedifica 2010-04-07 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Me three.
ajnabieh: Sign for a store reading "Hot Chick." (hot chick)

[personal profile] ajnabieh 2010-04-07 01:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Ditto. It's amazing how easy it seems to be for these guys to talk about dissecting women...
marcelle42: (Default)

[personal profile] marcelle42 2010-04-07 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, that was lots of kinds of offensive. Fun.

BTW, I'm just starting to work on a class paper about Dreamwidth, underrepresentation of women in open-source projects, and How They're Doing It Right. With some sociological theory thrown in. I'd be interested in talking about it some time, if you're up for it. And I may cite your essay, if you post it publicly, if that's ok.
liv: cast iron sign showing etiolated couple drinking tea together (argument)

[personal profile] liv 2010-04-07 12:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, definitely the violent ones, cos they're such detailed fantasies. The ones that are "lol innuendo" don't ping me as necessarily even sexist, except in as far as they're assuming that the audience is men who like to have sex with women. And one or two of those where the punchline is that inter-gender communication is impossible, because that's a pet peeve.
liv: cast iron sign showing etiolated couple drinking tea together (argument)

[personal profile] liv 2010-04-07 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
If you had radios rather than tickies, I'd have gone for 301013, for being a whole long discussion about women as receptacles for male masturbation.
ajnabieh: Sign for a store reading "Hot Chick." (hot chick)

[personal profile] ajnabieh 2010-04-07 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Um, those are horrible.

Except I actually think the last one is funny, if it does actually involve the speaker getting kicked out of the chatroom. That would be awesome.
ajnabieh: Sign for a store reading "Hot Chick." (hot chick)

[personal profile] ajnabieh 2010-04-07 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, yes, I do not know how to read these things.
vass: Small turtle with green leaf in its mouth (Default)

[personal profile] vass 2010-04-07 01:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know. This one didn't actually offend me. He made an unwelcome advance, and the woman replied in a geeky way (giving him an IP address instead of a telephone number) and it turned out that she trolled him with goatse. Maybe I'm misreading it or missing something, but I think the woman came off pretty well in that one.

Except now I'm imagining that she memorised the goatse IP just for similar occasions, and that depresses me.
conuly: (Default)

[personal profile] conuly 2010-04-07 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Halfway through I started to get "Access Denied" errors, and even the ones I'd already viewed I couldn't see again.
pauamma: Cartooney crab wearing hot pink and acid green facemask holding drink with straw (Default)

[personal profile] pauamma 2010-04-07 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
http://qdb.us/21841 briefly 403'd for me, but now displays again.
pauamma: Cartooney crab wearing hot pink and acid green facemask holding drink with straw (Default)

[personal profile] pauamma 2010-04-07 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it no longer does. Probably a glitch.
yvi: Kaylee half-smiling, looking very pretty (Default)

[personal profile] yvi 2010-04-07 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Working again for me.
carrie: fiery meteors stream through a red sky at a target on the horizon (boom)

[personal profile] carrie 2010-04-07 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Gah. Thank you for not making us choose 1. Though if you did, the pineapple one is horrible.
1_mad_squirrel: (Default)

[personal profile] 1_mad_squirrel 2010-04-07 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
What is QDB? Where were these quotes/chats found/originally posted?
pauamma: Cartooney crab wearing hot pink and acid green facemask holding drink with straw (Default)

[personal profile] pauamma 2010-04-07 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
http://qdb.us/21841 kinda reads like deliberately/knowingly bad advice to me, but that might be overexposure to shitty_advice.

http://qdb.us/59520: hmm, I find cannibalism (or anything that results in/requires the death of one of the participants) distinctly unappealing in a YKI*not*OK way, but I'm not sure where the sexism would be in that one - unless it's because it's targeting a woman? (I'm not sure of the gender of mattatta, and both could be women for all I know.) Compare with eg, http://qdb.us/26314, which looks much more likely to give offense to the coworker.

http://qdb.us/43336: speaker doesn't say what conclusion they drew from the incident, so I'm lacking the context for judging it. (ditto for http://qdb.us/53339)

http://qdb.us/33217 may be poetic justice.

http://qdb.us/64238: this may be an indirect slight aimed at (stereotypical) female brains, but (as Language Log explained again and again), the quote *is* an apt description of MSM "science reporting" about supposed features of female (and male) brains.

http://qdb.us/94997 and http://qdb.us/878: no idea what to make of those quotes.

http://qdb.us/57019: looks deliberate trollage/going for the shock value? (Taking in account the channel name.) So not sure it should be rated in the same light as the others.

(Also, none of these have obvious "this is from an OSS channel" telltales that I could see. Not sure whether that's relevant to your purpose, though.)
kateshort: (feh)

[personal profile] kateshort 2010-04-07 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, now I feel bad because I found some of these to be funny. :/

Some were offensive because they were sexist, but most I either found to be offensive in general or sexist but in either a more a mild way or in a way-over-the-top way.

Guess I'm just used to a lot of that kind of talk?
cheyinka: A grayscale Metroid on the head of a Dreamwidth usericon (metroiduser)

[personal profile] cheyinka 2010-04-08 07:53 am (UTC)(link)
I very carefully selected three. I should have checked to see how many other people were voting for, though, it would have been easier to pick five.

I didn't pick any of the violence ones, because the ones that weren't violent seemed more insidious, I guess?
beable: (Don't tread on me)

[personal profile] beable 2010-04-08 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)

I ended up posting my response to the poll on my on DW.

[identity profile] warsop.livejournal.com 2010-04-07 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I've got a relatively high tolerance for this kind of thing. Most of my life, I've been in male-dominated environments. I was an EMT during college, one of three women on the service. My two undergraduate degrees are CS and math, and I was the first female math major to graduate from my college in something like 10 years. There were only two other women in my CS graduating class. And now I'm in the so-called real world, where it's a Very Big Deal Indeed that our last two developer hires in my group were women. This brings the total number of women in my group to 10 (total group size is 60), one of whom is the secretary.

Which is to say that a lot of your examples didn't even hit my radar as sexist. They are, but my bar for when something will register as sexist has been moved so far that they just register as painfully lame jokes that are only slightly more lame than your standard-issue knock-knock jokes. So that said, the one that actually made me say "dude, what a sexist prick" was 33217, since it brings rape into the discussion. That's the line you don't ever cross.

In my life as a professional technical woman, one thing that I make sure I take time to do is to be a mentor. I mentor other women in this crazy company to help them realise that they're not alone, and that they have real technical contributions to make in a geek culture that is rarely accepting of women. We talk about things that I've certainly never talked about with any of my male managers, like how to make the decision of having kids and how that impacts your career, or how to handle it when your male co-workers are referring to every woman they've ever met as "bitches", or how to identify sexism that tips over into something to talk about with HR as opposed to something you just figure out how to deal with.

It's also one of the reasons that I actively maintain my work blog. I rarely talk about issues that are relevant to women in my blog. There are plenty of female bloggers out there who are already covering that ably. My goal is to simply be a blogger that happens to be female, and to be taken seriously as someone who is actively contributing to my fields with my writing. This is about showing that I have a contribution to make, and yes I'm female too.

Hmmm, I have no idea if any of this made any sense. :)